I have perused the rules quite thoroughly and see nothing which pertains to the money situation associated with roster movement...
If anyone has a clear answer and can show me where to find this, I'd appreciate it greatly ~ otherwise I'll simply trust my own judgement if it's arbitrary ~ which it appears to be... I just want to make sure I'm not missing something in the rules...
So here's the scenario... A guy has asked for his release. He has already paid his team fee and the team fee has been paid to the league. He's already gotten his jersey, etc...
Now the league rules state that it's up to the GM to grant the release if he so chooses, but it is silent on the issue of money being refunded and who would be responsible for paying that back to the player since the money is now with the CDMSBL.
Or, I thought the logical thing would simply be that the person has paid their league fees and since all teams have paid theirs by now, they simply transfer to the other team and the money stays with the CDMSBL.
But the league rules do not address the issue from what I've seen...
Thing is, I am GLAD to let the guy go ~ but am not overly pleased with the notion I am to shell out money for a guy to play free in the league because he is whining before the season even starts...
Or even if he then paid the other team, wouldn't it make sense that the GM simply gave the money to the other GM so they don't have to go thru the same hassle of collecting it? Or again, the league simply keeping it and the player just going to whoever will have him sounds like the easiest way to me...
And so, yes, the joys of managing are becoming more and more apparent by the day!
BUT opening day is only a lil over 48 hours away and I am psyched about getting on the field, if wondering how my play may be affected by having to deal with this kind of stuff...
Wait til you start the season and the .176 hitter is wondering why he is hitting 10th, because he has always hit 5th or 6th. Fun times, they are a comin! Oh yeah, and your 15 to 20 minutes of "getting loose to play time" before the game is spent watching the parking lot for the player that told you he was definitely coming, but isn't there yet, and the game is about to start. So instead of getting loose for the game, you are trying to revamp the line-up that was already made out. Fun Times, they are a comin!!!
there are no league rules pertaining the individual monies because the league only deals with the team through a commissioner. Team = Manager. i would say you have to inform said player that the Team was counting on him to be there for the entire season. Is there a valid reason, work or family preventing him from playing or asking for a release? In any event it is a managerial problem. One of the many you will encounter this season. Good Luck!
Funny you mention that Mike ~ since that's exactly what it is already revolving around before the year even starts... Basically guys are wanting guarantees as to playing time, regardless of skill level, and I am not giving such assurances ~ It is primarily performance based... And then when I have said well uhmmm, you are NOT starting as I already have that position filled ~ you know how the rest of that story goes... Maybe I'm coming off a little harsh when telling guys they suck, but hell, it's true... Oh, and let me add ~ they are BRAND new to the team too! So no Don, it has nada to do with family, work, or anything else legitimate ~ basically just guys thinking they are WAYYYY better than they actually are... And the irony is I am surprised any other team really thinks they will help them to get W's... Maybe the other managers are just "nicer" then me or something, I dunno...
And as my honey keeps reminding me, this is a REC league, NOT the major leagues! She also keeps reminding me that I am NOT exactly Derek Jeter! But again, I just keep coming back to the fact that I HATE the idea of losing ~ especially when I know I can field a team that can WIN! And being "nice" has never really been my strongest suit...
Bottom line is the CDMSBL has their money at this point, not me... And I am not pretending to play Mr "nice guy" to the point of paying my own personal cash for grown men who want to live in fantasy world ~ so unless the CDMSBL wants to be the "nice guy" and give it back to them, then they can do so... And if the other managers want to take them, the money arrangement is between them ~ nothing to do with me... I gladly grant the release(s) though... Decision made...
Interesting (and just for the record, wise I think) that there is No rule on this as I am quite sure this comes up most every year ~ and probably multiple times w/each age group...
There is no rule because it is not a league issue.... it is a team issue.
Guys don't pay the league to play in the league.... teams pay to play in the league ..... how the team decides to assess and collect the fees is up to the manager. The league has no say in what fees you charge, when you collect them, how much of a kitty you build etc... those are all up to you.
If someone decides to leave a team it is up to the manager whether or not they will refund the player the money they paid. I would say you are completely within your rights to say you are welcome to go but i can only refund your fee if i can fill your spot ... in fact i would say that is more than fair. If you have a ton of guys maybe everyone would say they would pay 10 extra bucks and absorb the extra playing time ... or if you don't you want to build yourself a little kitty so this stuff comes from team funds not your own if you decide to return the fee.
If a player decides to join a new team he will have to pay a fee to play on that team.
Thanks John, that's a pretty good explanation ~ though I think there' more to it then just that... And John Reel sent an e-mail to managers as well, so that was also helpful for further clarification... As I am obviously going thru a manager learning curve and am learning as I go along...
And it will all be worthwhile once we start getting the "W's," ya know? Winning really does have a way of making things better, it just does...
Thanks John, that's a pretty good explanation ~ though I think there' more to it then just that...
think what you will but there is nothing more to it
as i know you can imagine it is tough enough to try and organize a league that caters to 5 divisions and 45 - 50 +- teams
to try and run it on an individual level would be a gargantuan task ..... i would say the majority of managers in our league are happy with the league ... as are the majority of players
there will always be people who aren't happy .. it's human nature
That we definitely agree upon... And glad I'm in the "happy with the league" camp! And not overly concerned about the other side of the fence... Besides, they always have Hobbs, ey???
It would be a little bit easier for all involved, if the player with the playing time concerns brought those concerns to the manager before paying his money. That would be the adult way to handle it. Once the money is in to the league, if you want to be released due to playing time concerns, you are free to go, but the money stays. If the player can be replaced, then the manager would be free to refund the original player's fee, but not unless and until he is replaced. Not enough players put themselves in the shoes of their manager before they start griping . . . and that would be my two cents.
It would be a little bit easier for all involved, if the player with the playing time concerns brought those concerns to the manager before paying his money. That would be the adult way to handle it. Once the money is in to the league, if you want to be released due to playing time concerns, you are free to go, but the money stays. If the player can be replaced, then the manager would be free to refund the original player's fee, but not unless and until he is replaced. Not enough players put themselves in the shoes of their manager before they start griping . . . and that would be my two cents.
good point
but again ....... the individual players' money doesn't go to the league ..... what takes place is entirely between the player and manager and the league is not involved
Michael sir ~ we AGREE!!! I knew you were a reasonable guy after all... Plus I've been told you are an Atlanta Braves fan too, so we have that in common as well!
And John, in that same vein, if it is truly simply "a team issue," then you can NOT dictate that a player would have to pay to transfer to another team. I have talked to a couple other managers and they agree that no money should have to change hands if they were to be accepted on a new team... Of course, other managers may disagree with that, but that would be their call ~ not the league's... Yet since you like to quote others, here ya go... >>>
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NOT necessarily... But maybe ~ depends on the manager/GM the guy goes to, no???
johnc wrote:
Mark
There is no rule because it is not a league issue.... it is a team issue.
Guys don't pay the league to play in the league.... teams pay to play in the league ..... how the team decides to assess and collect the fees is up to the manager. The league has no say in what fees you charge, when you collect them, how much of a kitty you build etc... those are all up to you.
If someone decides to leave a team it is up to the manager whether or not they will refund the player the money they paid. I would say you are completely within your rights to say you are welcome to go but i can only refund your fee if i can fill your spot ... in fact i would say that is more than fair. If you have a ton of guys maybe everyone would say they would pay 10 extra bucks and absorb the extra playing time ... or if you don't you want to build yourself a little kitty so this stuff comes from team funds not your own if you decide to return the fee.
If a player decides to join a new team he will have to pay a fee to play on that team.
-- Edited by Marcus Aurelius on Friday 27th of April 2012 05:13:24 PM
i never should have said they would have to pay .... they may have to pay would have been a better choice of words
i actually swapped out a guy on my 45 team today
one of my guys told me just wednesday that he was hurt for a couple of weeks and would rather not play this season if that was a possibility ....... i told him the only way that could happen at this late date is if i could replace him with a player of his caliber ... well don't you know it i get a phone call from another guy in the 45's seeing if i have room because he has a really good player looking to play
i swapped them ... the new guy pays his fee which i use to reimburse the guy who bailed and everyone is happy ..... but otherwise the first guy had committed to play and it was too late to back out 4 days before the first game!
Ah, the baseball Gods were with you, and your initials are JC! Or would that be the GM Gods in this case? Are they different and distinct Gods or do they share power?
Anyways, I hope they are with us today as ironically enough I ran into Mike and the lovely Mrs. Girrard while out for dinner with my family last evening (they do call it Smallbany)... And with it currently being 30 degrees outside (at least the wind isn't blowing much this am), it sure would be nice if the Baseball Gods that be would smile some sunshine down on us as we prepare to meet on the field with our baseball family's this morning... I've always admired how the Cubs are a real "team" and Mike's competitive fires... I think he hates losing ALMOST as much as I do...
Now it's time to go get it on and I am like a little kid jumping out of bed looking for my Christmas presents this am ~ but again, let's hope the Gods have some good gifts in store for us all as the season begins...
Good Luck to all and I sincerely wish everyone the best in 2012! May the Gods smile on you all as, if hopefully a little more upon me!